When July 1, 2019 rolls around, there are going to be a lot of people caught unaware when they find out they have to provide everything but their firstborn kid when buying ammunition.
Sad but true – ammo registration is right around the corner and a lot of unsuspecting folks are going to be mighty angry when they head to Walmart to buy a single box of shells. Regulations were just released by the Depa
rtment of Justice and as usual, they took their sweet time – moving slower than molasses in releasing the final product. Gun dealers have been on pins and needles waiting to see to what degree DOJ was going to, uh, screw them.
The background check process is the most significant problem by far and shows they are simply not able to follow the law. Current California law mandates the background check to be completed instantly. Given this requirement, why then would DOJ regulations issue “Ammunition Transaction Numbers” allowing purchasers to “monitor the status” of the background check? IF BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE REQUIRED TO BE INSTANT, WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED TO “MONITOR THE STATUS” OF ANYTHING? Once again, the Department placing themselves above what is legally required.
Obviously, the collection of personal data is equally as contemptible. Things are pretty darn rotten when voting requires NO ID whatsoever but buying ammo requires a “licensed vendor” to collect data on:
- The date of the sale/transfer;
- The purchaser’s driver’s license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued***;
- The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred;
- The purchaser’s full name and signature;
- The name of the salesperson who processed the transaction;
- The purchaser’s full residential address and telephone number;
- The purchaser’s date of birth.
If that’s not bad enough, the Department is also illegally requiring citizenship status – from legal non-residents. This is rich – DOJ wants those with legal residency in the United States to document the origin of their citizenship while California wants to expand free medical coverage to those who are in this country illegally.
Thank goodness a lawsuit** has been filed that very effectively challenges this garbage, because before it even begins, ammo registration is a big cluster. The Department has already indicated that they are not capable of complying with current law. What an example for the people of California…
- For detailed answers to important questions on “who, what, why and how” of the new laws regarding the purchase of ammunition starting July 1, 2019, check out CRPAs FAQ Sheet here.
- **Rhode v Becerra: Filed by our friends at CRPA/NRA which states “Among other effects, the Challenged Provisions completely ban direct mail order ammunition purchases, implement a costly vendor-licensing system, subjects countless of ammunition purchases to a burdensome registration scheme, place numerous restrictions on ammunition vendors, and impose multiple costly fees and prohibitive price increases on ammunition purchasers.” To read the full case, click here.
***ADDENDUM: There is NOTHING in statute or regulations issued by the Department of Justice that requires a REAL ID for the purchase of ammunition beginning July 1, 2019. If this changes we will inform our members ASAP. For details about the new regulations, we strongly encourage you to read the very thorough CRPA FAQ which can be found at http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Info-Bulletin-re-New-Ammo-Regs.pdf
142 responses to “Ready or Not: What You Need to Know About CA’s New Ammo Registration Scheme”
So, why hasn’t someone filed for an injunction and a lawsuit filed to rule the law unconstitutional? What the Hell have you guys been doing in out interest?
As the blog states, the regulations were just released and don’t go into effect until July 1, 2019. This is a convoluted issue (statute v regulations v initiative language) and our attorneys are carefully evaluating the most judicious steps to take. Be assured we are not sitting on our hands watching the garbage float on by. Should you want further details on the matter, please feel free to contact our office at 916-984-1400 – we would be happy to discuss.
A lawsuit has already been filed. It’s called Rhode v Becerra. I’ll tell you what we’ve been doing, we have been working with our attorneys to plan for the wisest next step. This is VERY convoluted and we have one chance to make the right move. That is what we are working on.
it isn’t illegal.. remember states right? if you don’t like it move to another state.. like you always say
The Bill of Rights restricts states as it does the Feds. Supreme Court has ruled in previous cases that restrictions on ammunition availability is an infringement of the ownership of a firearm.
States rights are restricted by Federal Law and the states are able only to assume unaddressed rights that are not granted the Federal government.
The NRA already has a lawsuit submitted
Lawsuit about what ? Most nra members want a full background check on all gun sales .
Just gun lobby propaganda .
Do you have access to internal NRA polling data? If not, STFU.
Phil, that comment on where NRA members stand regarding background checks is a carefully crafted bald faced lie. No researcher has EVER had access to the list of dues paying NRA members. It is impossible for researchers to accurately reflect what NRA members think! It’s interesting to note that the NRA has between 5 and 6 million members and researchers say that double or triple that amount of people identify themselves as NRA members. They are full of sheep dip…
😂😂😂”bald face lie”🤭🤭🤭
Your the propagandist for Soros on this site. Go away and don’t come back.
it isn’t illegal.. remember states right? if you don’t like it move to another state.. like you always say
“Most NRA members”? On what basis do you claim to speak for “most NRA members”? Who are you? After all, the Left has firmly established
that they adhere to the theory that ‘the end justifies the means.’ Over the last four decades, they have demonstrated that they never say or do
anything without artifice. So, since you seem to adhere to the Leftist position, why should anyone believe you?
How do you know what most or any NRA members want? Have any told you what they want or feel? How many NRA members do you know?
How many have you spoken with? How many have you even met? What NRA documents or NRA sponsored publications have you read?
John R. Lot, Jr., PhD is an economist, PhD, the nation’s leading authority on firearms rights and policy. Dr. Lott taught at at the University of
Chicago, Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, and Yale University. He is the author of 13 books, and is a magazine columnist.
Which of his literature have you read? What are your credentials?
There are already full background checks on the purchase of firearms. NRA members see no reason for more. What we NRA members want is actual enforcement of existing law. Not a bunch of new ones. One specifically is that Convicted Felons who attempt to buy firearms are breaking the law, but are not being arrested. When felons are caught by the existing background check when attempting to buy a gun, that attempt is violation of the law and must be reported by the Dealer. The Feds are ignoring those reports and no actions are being taken!
I cant wait to break this law. Bearing = Carrying. It is a right not a privilege. Rights Don’t Require Permission. Always carry. #2A
Lawsuit about what ? Most nra members want a full background check on all gun sales .
Just gun lobby propaganda .
Nope. Your full of it. Cite your source!
Rights have responsibilities .
The founding fathers were not promoting drunken vigilante groups .
Carrying such a deadly weapon should only be after a full background check .
You guys want the diagnosed mentally ill and all ex cons to open carry .
Why?
To please the gun lobby hacks ?
I’m not anti gun
Troll Alert!
Phil, this comes from the head gun lobby hack at GOC. If you are honest about our history you might remember that a whole bunch of guys would gather regularly at pubs, bars and eating establishments, (and i’ll bet more than a few of them took a drink) with their trusty assault muskets in hand, ready to respond to criminal acts of tyranny…I think they were called Minutemen! If not for those vigilante groups, some drunk and some not I’m sure, you would be calling the Elizabeth your Queen and Sovereign instead of Donald Trump your duly elected President.
If you aren’t anti-gun, Gavin Newsom doesn’t slick his hair back every morning. As is typical, when anti-gunners run our of points, perspectives and arguments, they resort to lashing out with grossly inaccurate statements like we want the mentally ill and ex felons to open carry. Your well is dry.
It is obvious you are not Pro Gun. You say responsibility, yet you ignore the concepts of accountability and good judgment. Would you say that only the Government can prescribe either?
Drop the subject and quit spouting the progressive rhetoric. It is obvious you are progressive and not a Constitutionalist.
Generally, people tend to talk about themselves, whether consciously, or unconsciously.
An honest person will say, “I am honest.” A liar will say, “I am not a liar.”
Note Phil’s choice of words, when he said, “I am not antigun.”
Phil, but you appear to be truly unaware of both current law and the actual position of the NRA. In reality, if you were actually part of the 2nd Amendment community, you would know. I suspect you are just another Leftist, anti-gun, troll who is looking forward to another “4 years of screaming at the sky anti-Trump-ist!” 😉
Don’t go out of your way to give the parasites in Government or the “law profession” your business. Get your ammo discreetly and keep your mouth shut.
Its not illegal for you to carry or bear on your own residence, or temporary residence according to Ca. Law. There is nothing for you to break. Be sensible and don’t get arrested to make a point that will only screw yourself long term. If you havent already stockpiled, import discreetly and no one will notice
Good evening Mark. Please consider this. California is not a “stand your ground state.” This means, you are obligated to flee from an intruder or assailant; even in your own home. This sounds odd, but you need to be careful.
CA has
‘… what’s known as a “castle doctrine” (California Penal Code Section 198.5), granting a justification for deadly force inside one’s residence. If someone forces his or her way into your home, and you have a “reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury,” then you would be justified in using deadly force to defend yourself.’
https://www.kqed.org/news/104272/5-things-to-know-about-stand-your-ground-in-california
Lets see what happens when all gun owners buy a single 50 round box of .22 rounds everyday for 60 days.this should collapse the system and then we can sue them for violating our 2A rights by not letting us purchase ammo. Bearing arms without ammo is denying our 2A rights.
I feel this is a seriously great idea. Simple but probably very effective. 22 is cheap, almost everyone i know has one. Bring the system down, repeat.
Scott
Socal
What’s a “well regulated “ militia ? A vigilante group or a group working alongside officers?
Men at least 18 years old, that know how to hit what they are aiming at with a militia worthy firearm!
Nice try! Quit spouting half truths and false “facts.
Who is the Militia? Well, we are, the citizens of the United States of America. George Mason was asked the same question.
“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788 (http://walterewilliams.com/quotations/arms/.6/30/2019).
This is pretty clear. So were the replies of the other Founding Fathers who were asked the very same question. Try reading the unedited version of the Federalist Papers.
A militia is a group of well-armed men keeping an eye on goverment and their goons to stop their tiranny. As of present, we all have failed as militia memebers.
Nope. Im not giving those bastards one penny. Ive already collected a lifetime supply in anticipation of these thuggish regs. Ca DOJ can KMA.
Moose
Good thinking. This system is absolutely going to blow up and DOJ would be breaking the law when it does. Anyway, everybody needs 22 ammo right?
Sam
Great idea Moose
What about any restriction / denial of purchasing a gun or ammo with a drivers license that says “Federal Limits Apply”?
My hometown Gun Dealer will not make sales on those restricted licenses.
The state of California is not going to question their own duly issued identification cards. The feds have nothing to do with ammo purchase laws in CA.
Ok, about 5-7 years ago, a similar law was found unconstitutional in California. That being the case, why the hell isn’t this law unconstitutional due to the precedent set by the last one’s finding of being unconstitutional!!?? Dan L.
That just goes to show u how corrupt the Californian legislation has become… + Guy’s and gal’s 4 firearm’s in every state of the fine USA…… I’m not done fighting 4 R Rights so hang in there and continue the FIGHT!
Right on Brother! ( or Sister!)
It’s California, enough said.
The state of California is not going to question their own duly issued identification cards. The feds have nothing to do with ammo purchase laws in CA.
Doesn’t “registration” = “illegal search”? I.e. Search without a warrant.
Um, you need to learn what you’re saying. That sounds stupid.
On point!
Registration means the police can confiscate illegally held weapons .
Why should a car be registered and not a rifle ?
Both are weapons , no?
Car is a potential weapon , as it can be used by bad drivers . There are bad shooters too
And there are stupid, conflicted people who should just pass on Gun Ownership
Driving is a privilege, not a right. Registering an automobile is licensing it to be operated on publicly-funded roadways, which may or may not include a portion of the vehicle registration. You can freely operate a motor vehicle on your own property without this registration, as you maintain the ‘roadway’ privately. Firearm registration and automobile registration are apples & oranges. That being said the amount we pay to register autos in CA is obscene (IMO).
I agree- neither should be registered.
The link for the FAQ sheet is down. 404 error.
The link has been fixed – thanks for letting us know!
the law was set up for gun stores , not gun shows , I belive the back ground check is for calif. not out of state . no calif. d.l. can not buy ammo. doj still has not provided a phone number to do back ground checks on weekends for gun show venders who do not have computers to do back ground checks.
What’s to stop traveling to another state to procure desired items. From where I’m at Oregon is only two hours away. Asking for a friend lol but not funny.
If you read the law buying out of state and bringing the ammo into Calif is illegal.
So is the State of California now going to stop and search every car coming into the State?
Looking for unregistered or illegally bought weapons ?
Sounds paranoid .
All we need is to satisfy the wishes of 70% of nra members : full background checks .
I go for that and I’m pro gun
Your also an ignorant stooge!
We heard you, damn.
Phil: Stop asking dumb questions. You need some sleep and a troll vacation.
70% of NRA members? Site your source. No wild guestimates allowed.
Phil, I don’t understand your justification to claim to speak for any NRA members.
So what! Ca politicians dont obey immigration laws I’m not going to obey this law. They cant search every car entering the state without creating an unacceptable backup on the highway. There are backroads into the state with no check point. And I wont park my car anywhere near where I’m shopping as to eliminate plate watchers. Plus freinds & family truckers residing out of state can bring it in Peterbilt’s. “Molon Labe” I will not comply!!!!!
The law prohibits importing ammo without going through a liscenced dealer. So theoretically the fact that going out of state and bringing it back could potentially result in a weapons violation which could potentially lead to felony convictions this striping one of the right to have the guns inthe first place.
Of course this is all based on the notion that “law abiding” folks will follow the law.
Wouldn’t this constitute a violation of the interstate commerce clause? Also another problem with this law on this subject… What if I go to another state with no ammo, purchase it there to do some shooting/hunting. Then before I return I forget to dispose of all the ammo I legally purchased and innocently bring a few rounds of ammunition back. I’ve just unwittingly broken the law. The law should not be a trap to make lawful citizens criminals.
How will they know that the ammo you bring back into CA didn’t go out of CA with you? I went to Vegas for a shootout. Came back with some left. 😛
Subjecting yourself to major criminal violation if found to be bringing in ammo bought out of state. Receipts required!
When you purchase ammo or guns in other States, you have to provide ID and if you are not for the State you want to purchase the said ammo, you are SOL. Happened to me
Firearms yes, ammunition no. Completely false.
I am not aware of a single state law that prohibits a non-resident from purchasing ammunition.
That’s what this law will do.
Completely false!
I call BS. Why would another state give a damn about a law in California and what would the people of that state say when asked for an ID. I don’t believe this is or will happen
Unfortunately, there is a difference between conceptual extrapolation and what you might like to believe.
Nothing. Going to Oregan would be perfect. No sales tax for socialist purposes in either state!
The doj doing this is the same as the nazis searching home citizens for no reason they want the citizenship of the people to have no rights under the constitution to much government control
I find your comparison to voting quite ignorant. Voting can’t blow some child’s brain out in a public school with the click of a firing pin. Grow up already. 2nd amend says ‘well regulated militia’, not ‘the govt shall make no law’…
Found the crazy liberal.
It is perfectly acceptable for people with no vested interest in this country, here illegally, to sway public resources?
You are the one who needs to grow up. You sound like an angry teenager completely ignorant on the subject. It really shows when you reference the ‘well regulated’ portion of the Second Amendment when there are literally hundreds of constitutional scholars that have gone into full detail of how absolutely wrong your statement is.
Excellent point!
It says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Infringed. Even the slightest impediment to our ability to keep and carry weapons is illegal according to The Constitution and our natural rights. If you want to live in a place where the right to keep and bear arms is not honored, there’s the whole rest of the world waiting for you.
Hey Finks, what about the bats, the rocks, the fists, the knives, THE CARS, the tools, hammers etc. that do this EVERYDAY to kids, and so much more often? Howbout the cigarettes, the drugs, the drinking..have you forgot those? Be inclusive don’t cherry pick.
I find your comment unrealistic. So we’re doing this to protect the children? I guess you’re OK with all the abortions going on. Hmmm, it’s easier to get an abortion than to buy a box of ammo. Think about that sir.
My friend and I have filled out paperwork declaring ourselves a two person militia. Also in our documentation is a provision magazines holding over 10 rounds are legal for semi-automatic firearms. A sub clause states injuring or killing of innocent civilians will remove our right to own firearms and subject us to the death penalty.
Seems kind of unnecessary. Saint Benitez already restored our right to possess “standard capacity” magazines! Do it with gusto!
I didn’t know firing pins “clicked.”
Idiot.
What’s the big deal? There’s no mention of ammo in the second amendment. Bear arms all you want.
Damn, as a LEO I still order online direct to my house and will continue to do so. No way I’m giving my driver’s license and home address to some Walmart parolee… Feel bad for everyone else but, this is what all the illegals voted for.
I say every patriotic sheriff should make as many people as possible reserve officers and give them a badge. Now they are all LEO’s! 🙂
Why should we be bound by laws that were illegitimately passed? Please look the other way when you see me pass by, and i will continue to respect you when you arrest real criminals.
Jeff….The 2nd amendment says that the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Criminals don’t and won’t follow any of these laws, and making it more difficult for those who DO wish to follow the laws, i.e, the Good Guys, to have protection from those who are mentally ill and evil who would shoot innocents, only makes it easier for them to do so.
These regulations mandate that even law enforcement must have a letter from their agency head to purchase ammo, which expires per these regulations in 30 days…but PC 30312 contains exemptions for online purchases by LE, only in criminalfornia does this make sense lmao.
This will go down in flames once the Supremes get it in their court. California will eat salt peter. In the meantime stock up on several years worth of ammo before the law takes effect so you can go shooting while this case winds through the courts.
How are the BS laws going to affect reloading your own ammo. Try and keep track of that ammo.
They’re not after that type, idiot.
Idiot? Do you think that they won’t have you do the same song and dance to buy powder, primers, bullets and any other related items? Once any of this crap is allowed, all things pertaining to guns will be outlawed. None of these anti 2A laws have anything to do with “Safety” they are always about control of the people!
We are the Well regulated militia, ready to protect our rights from an out of control government, We the People not we the greedy,arrogant, the elites of government!
Yet…Idiot.
Don’t ask, Don’t tell!
What if you buy ammo in state, then take it out of state and then return with it? I may go through the effort.
They will probably want you to try to prove it. It is going to be interesting how they will try to enforce this considering they do not have the staff to check every vehicle at the bug station.
Go through the local/returnees line. No stop/No problem
You’re not supposed to bring ANY ammo back.
If found returning to CA with ammo, you will be arrested. Good luck proving that the receipt you have actually pertains to the ammo in your possession when your arrested. Which doesn’t matter anyway the way the law is written.
Not to mention the thousands in legal costs you will incur.
Just make sure to destroy any out of state receipts you might have for the ammo before you come back in. They have to prove your guilt. You don’t have to prove your innocence.
Why do that? If you have an opportunity to deny tax dollars to Ca., buy and use that ammo on your out of state vacation.
So glad we moved out of CA three years ago. Is there any provision to prevent you from reloading? Any restrictions on buying powder, primers, etc?
Don’t ask, Don’t tell , and don’t give anybody ideas.
FYI: If you don’t have a California Real ID by July 1st. You will need to bring a legal copy of your birth certificate. Which the store will then copy. I’m sure no one wants their birth certificate floating around. A regular Cal Driver’s Licence doesn’t cut it anymore to buy guns and ammo
PLEASE NOTE: There is NOTHING in statute or regulations issued by the Department of Justice that requires a REAL ID for the purchase of ammunition beginning July 1, 2019. If this changes we will inform our members ASAP. For details about the new regulations, we strongly encourage you to read the very thorough CRPA FAQ which can be found at http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Info-Bulletin-re-New-Ammo-Regs.pdf
The link can also be found in at the bottom of the blog, and in the mean time, please don’t give the Department of Justice any ideas.
If i were an ammo or gun dealer though, i would deny sale to anyone with a “federal limits apply” I.D.
This is going to be real hard on the criminals, won’t it Newsome , Becerra and de Leon ?
Most suppliers in Oregon have told me they don’t care what state you’re from they will sell you ammo. This law will create a huge black market and the state will lose out on tax money. It’s time for the SCOTUS to break it’s silence and speak up.
I like the part about Ca. Losing tax money. Thank you for the reminder
If you live, vote and own firearms in California and you vote democrat. Shame on you.
If good taxpaying, America loving Conservatives continue to live in a state that constantly abuses and takes advantage of us, then shame on us!
I wonder what would happen in Ca when 20 million of us leave, and only the queers and titsuckers are left?
People have been bringing illegal fireworks into the state since forever. There is quite a black market for them. What does it sound like in your neighborhood when it’s close to July 4th? It has become nearly impossible to prevent them coming here. I foresee the same thing happening with ammo. You might have to pay a buck or two more per box, but it will be there. Liberal politicians are so damn ignorant.
Never underestimate the stupidity of Libtard do-gooders
So people can walk across the boarder and get VIP status in this dumb state but citizens have no constitutional rights. Why hasn’t Trump sent in the feds to dethrone these tyrants?
Could be y’all have made him so welcome.
This law is unconstitutional.
That being said, a Law Enforcement Officer has to have probable cause to search a person’s automobile.
If you’re bringing in ammunition from out of State, just keep it out of plain sight, and if they ask to search your car, politely tell them “no thank you.”
I can recall having to sign a log book every time I purchased ammo in California. Eventually the requirement was tossed out as being costly and ineffective. Effectiveness is obviously not a requirement any longer.
Yes, that was part of a Federal Law passed in 1986. That provision was overridden when the Sierra club found out how many trees were cut down to fill out all that paperwork.
How do you find out if you’re on the Armed Prohibited Persons System (APPS)?
Get arrested for a felony, beat up your wife, or get in a brawl at your local bar. That should do it.
What do you expect living here in California, the cesspool of America? Newsome just invited any pregnant woman where ever you may be, to come to California to get an abortion, no questions asked. Why does’t he just say if you want kill, rape, molest, etc. someone, do it here or even bring them here from anther state. With 737 inmates on death row in San Quentin, you would be assured of 3 hots & a cot for a very long life. Didn’t. Have much to do about the ammo situation , just wanted you to know how sick these liberals are. Stock up & shut up.
Your going to have to declare all ammo before the law goes into effect the way things are going.
All ammo already in your possession that is
Hey that’s not a bad idea!! Not
What about the ammo I already own can I sell it or
give it away. After the “law” goes into effect? Can I take it to another state and sell it.
Just stock up now.let the court figure it out. The thief’s will do the same. Can’t get the Democrats out of calif office Because it’s fixed. More illigals more votes. PS give all the illigals free medical. We pay for it. Want less shootings arrest gang members, drug dealers. Since they did raise age to 21 to buy any gun to save lives raise driving age to 21. Cell phone to 21. Suggest you arm your self prepare for civil war.
It remarkable that Prop 63 only applies to CA residents. As such Mr. Newsom’s legacy legislation does not apply to non residents. Essentially a non resident is still legally able to bring in as much ammo as they want into California. Hypothetically non residents can purchase as much ammo in Nevada, import into California and once in the golden state………legally give it away to family or friends, they just cant sell it.
Pretty interesting that Prop 63 gives non residents have more immunity in the golden state than her own residents. Makes you wonder who exactly voted for Prop 63?
This is also a forced gun registration. Say Bob Jones has an older pistol he inherited from his late dad 15 years ago. Still in dads name. With the new ammo law Bob can’t buy ammo for the gun unless he registers it in his name now. State wants to know what every law abiding citizen has so if in the future they wish to confiscate they now what and where they are.
Another good reason for civil disobedience to these Regulations. California coddles lawbreakers and illegals but punishes good Citizens. They have turned the law on its head, give money away to non citizens and hoochie mamas and force productive people to pay the bills. I know it goes against GOC doctrine, but i think Ca. is too far gone to fix. I will fight while i am still here, but i will leave when i retire. Alabama or Utah, here i come!
So now in order to put teeth into this law, if you drive into California with more than a certain amount of ammo, you must REGISTER that ammo or you will be breaking the law. That’s right – you cannot freely bring ammo into the state of California. If they allowed that, then you would have the same situation as the cigarette tax laws. People smuggle cigarettes from Virginia into New York and sell them on the street as “singles” free of tax. 30% in VA (lowest in US) vs 435% in NY (highest). A pack of cigarettes is $12.85 in NY vs $5.43 in VA.
And yet…. here we are! The state is now taxing and keeping record… So much for that constitution… Americans are being walked to the cliff!
I just came back from Walmart after attempting to purchase two b”oxes of ammo. I was informed by the clerk that I needed a “New I.D. ” to purchase ammo.
She explained and showed me the requirement stating my license had to have the bear in the right corner. I am retired law enforcement and a legal citizen of the United States.
So now I have to pay for a new drivers license even though I have a year and a half before it expires.
Hi Bill….it sounds like you are being required to apply for ‘Real ID’. We’ll have to have it by Oct/2020 to fly even domestically I understand. I am surprised that your current license is not being recognized until the law takes effect. This concerns me a great deal. I hope it concerns others, too. I wonder what could be coming next to hinder honest living, law abiding citizens to move freely and enjoy the benefits of being good, responsible citizens? Requiring you to present a ‘Real ID’ instead of honoring your current DL is unbelievable. Getting a “Real ID’ requires much more proof of who you are (personal documents) and a little more money. That seems to be the scenario with most of this…more money. If a background check isn’t good enough, where does the intrusion stop?
Can a parent give ammo to an adult son or daughter under the current law 9/5/2019.
I am a female gun owner. I would never consider hiding or retreating into a deeper part of my home to avoid an intruder. I firmly believe my home is off limits to prowlers and those who are up to no good or intend to do harm to me or mine. My philosophy is you are welcome in my home when invited. Anyone who is bold enough to force their way in uninvited and pose a threat, you are likely not leaving in he same condition as you entered. Unless you agree to turn around and exit immediately. I have a right to protect myself and to react if I believe I am in harms way. Target shooting is my hobby and I am opposed to killing anything living. Unless it poses a life altering threat to me. If that be the case I prefer to be judged by twelve rather than carried by six. That’s my law in my home.
I am also not opposed to a background check to buy a firearm. I have nothing to hide, I have complete control of my faculties and I hope this helps with selling firearms to those who do not have any business having one. We know that it won’t be 100% effective but I am all for allowing it if it is proven to work. We do walk a fine line in never allowing our 2A rights to be trampled. It’s very sad we even have to have discussions about it. We know we have to register our guns, our cars, our children in school, etc. I hope that all gun owners are responsible people and the vast majority are! I do not want my rights as a law abiding person to be crippled to give false comfort to those who don’t like guns and who are not focusing their ‘know it all’ attention to the real problem…criminals and mentally impaired. Anytime the government wants to control they look to punishing law abiding citizens. We’re the easiest target. We obey whereas problem people don’t. And they won’t, no matter how many restrictions are placed on law abiding citizens who follow our constitutional rights. A law abiding citizen should never have to give up their rights because of the crimes of criminals or mentally ill. As long as I am legal to vote I will be legal to buy and own a gun. When you make owning a gun a crime you make criminals out of good people.
NOTE TO COMMENTS!
To all individuals who have sent stories about ammo purchase denials, GOC has provided a link that will send your experience directly to the legal team that is working on the lawsuit. We have gathered literally hundreds of stories and have passed them on, but we have now been able to streamline the transmittal of data. Click on the following link to be redirected: https://gunownersca.com/ammunition-registration/
Thank you for taking the time to send the information – it’s important!
This ammunition law, when first implemented, had an unintended consequence. California decided to use their Automated Firearm System (AFS) as a shortcut to check the purchaser. An AFS record is generated when you buy a gun and go thru the State mandated background check. So, if you are in the system you have successfully gone thru at least one background check.
However, if you had not bought a firearm since 2016 merchants would not sell you any ammo, in the State’s wisdom they would not accept AFS entries prior to 2016. The remedy was to buy a gun, that would get your info into AFS and viola – now you can buy ammo! Gun control legislation that actually REQUIRES you buy a gun?! Only the Democrats could come up with something so ridiculous and useless.
Typical of CA politics, the urge to do something, anything, even if the legislation is written by a gaggle of congenital idiots who can’t read a flow chart. As a result an already banner year for gun sales is setting a new record. Sad part is that this is typical of Newsome’s performance as governor and why there is a recall effort afoot.
Thanks for your information on the ammo registration talk I’ve been hearing. I would really like to buy a used gun and some ammo. I wonder how much I could get in one purchase.